Talk Justice: Episode 109

New Data on Arizona and Utah’s Innovations After 5 Years of Legal Reform
Stanford researchers discuss new data on legal services innovations in Arizona and Utah on Talk Justice. Five years ago, Arizona and Utah launched unprecedented experiments in legal services delivery. Now Stanford has published a report, which provides comprehensive data on what worked, what didn’t and what it means for expanding access to justice. These findings build on a previous report that the Rhode Center published after the first two years these regulatory reforms were enacted.
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David Freeman Engstrom
David Freeman Engstrom is the LSVF Professor of Law at Stanford and Co-Director of the Deborah L. Rhode Center on the Legal Profession, the premier academic center shaping the future of legal services and access to the legal system. An expert in civil procedure, administrative law, and law and technology, Engstrom focuses his current work on the future of courts and legal services in the AI age. His projects have spanned court use of technology in MDLs, lawyer use of “legal tech” tools to serve clients, and technologies that assist individuals without lawyers...

Natalie Anne Knowlton
Natalie Anne Knowlton serves as the Associate Director for Legal Innovation for the Rhode Center, working on legal technology, court modernization, and regulatory innovation. She is the Founder of Access to Justice Ventures. She was formerly the Director of Special Projects and a Regulatory Innovation Consultant at IAALS, the Institute for the Advancement of the American Legal System. Knowlton is a 2023 ABA Journal Legal Rebel and is listed among the ABA Legal Technology Resource Center’s 2022 Women of Legal Tech. She sits on the Justice Technology Association Advisory Board and the Legal Aid of North Carolina Innovation Lab Advisory Board.
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Cat Moon
As Professor of the Practice and Co-Director of the Program on Law & Innovation and the Vanderbilt AI Law Lab, all at Vanderbilt Law School, Caitlin “Cat” Moon designs the J.D. curriculum for with the goal of empowering students to lead in the innovation of 21st century legal services delivery. Professor Moon also founded and directs the PoLI Institute, which provides interactive post-graduate executive education to legal professionals. She also co-founded and produces the , which brings together experts across legal, technology and other disciplines in collaborative innovation projects...